So…rumor has it there are only a handful of the new Dynafit DyNA rando racing boots in the states this year (click here for 3D view), but low and behold, since I’ve been back in Jackson (about 3 weeks now) I’ve seen three pairs of them. And not just in a box on the shelf. I’m talking about actual pairs that people have bought and plan to use!!!
Fitting DyNA race boots at the shop.
I saw one pair yesterday on Teton Pass, owned by what looked like an Exum Mountain Guide’s client, an older gentleman. He had bought them locally (the one pair actually for sale in Teton County and most likely…the entire state of Wyoming) and will use them for touring. The second pair, also to be used for touring, was purchased by a hardcore local backcountry skier, who will also use them for touring and bought them from Telemark Pyrenees. He commented that although he was going to pair them up with a pair of Dynafit Manaslu skis, in good snow conditions, he thought he’d be able to drive bigger skis like BD Justices with them as well. Veeerrrrryyyyyy innnnnterrrrrressssstingggggg!!!!!!
Dynafit DyNA race boot spotted on Teton Pass.
Both of these guys paid top dollar for the DyNA boot…and you gotta wonder how many pairs are left available to purchase. The last pair is owned by one of the United State’s elite rando-racers, so hopefully he got them at a good deal…if not free. So if you’re interested in scoring a pair of these puppies…better get on it, cuz it looks like they are going fast. And if you haven’t seen them in person yet, bet sure to check out one of the rando races in the states this year (here is the schedule), cuz no doubt…someone will be rockin’ a pair.Word!
Can you get an actual weight from one of the owners that you know? They are spec’d at 920g for 27.5, about 80g more than f1 carbon race, but it doesn’t look like it’s heavier than the f1 based on how much plastic there is. I wonder why Dynafit can’t make a truly lightweight boot.
i’m pretty sure one of them has the 28’s…but i’ll see about the other owner.
i can easily see how DyNA could be a little heavier that the f1 carbon….much more going on…especially for the downhill.
My scale only reads to tenths of a pound, 28.5 weighs in @2.2 lbs/boot. So 920g for a 27.5 seems close. If I ever get them on a better scale I’ll let you know.
I’ve skied the F1 (standard, with a tongue, not the race or carbon) pretty regularly since the 1st year it was available, and the dyna’s uphill and downhill performance is in a different league. When I feel how much of my knee drive gets transmitted to the ski, I can’t believe the boot has no tongue. Feels stiffer than an orange-tongued Spirit 3.
Did about 40 hours of bc skiing/skinning on them this past week – I’m almost dreading the first stride I take in my regular boots this week, it’s going to suck in comparison.
A pleasant surprise : the liners are so thin & light that I assumed they would be cold & limited to temps above single digits. But, a couple of below zero mornings with the typical long flat cold teton approach posed no problem.
Of course, long-term durability is still to be determined. There are very few moving parts to break. We’ll see how the carbon & plastic stand up to abuse.
As Joey said, it’s heavier than the other new race boots. I have a feeling that racers will not be the main market for this boot (or its slightly heavier, cheaper descendants) within a couple of years. For the skier that wants to move light&fast&long in the hills, the future’s looking good.
Thanks Tony. 40 hours?! Nice!
Even if it’s stiff enough to drive Justices would that be pleasant (and safe?) in less than perfect conditions, or when going fast? Given how low the boot is compared to, say, Factors or Titans there’s way less support to the shins.
Guess it all depends on what you’re after Rob. The Justices (and skis like the Megawatt) make skiing unpleasant conditions easier…so maybe one doesn’t need a big boot to drive them all the time. And I’m pretty sure Tony is a powder hound…so unpleasant conditions aren’t really in his repertoire.
Our shop… http://www.mountaineer.com has a pair of 26.5 DYNA’s
they weigh 896 grams a boot or 1lb 15.6 oz
The boot doesn’t feel low (I’m 6 ft 1) It’s taller than the F1, and a quick visual shows it 1/2 inch lower @ rear cuff than Virus & Spirit 3. I could use the spoiler from one of those boots for extra support, probably won’t.
Skied the F1, bendy sole supporting 200+ lbs including pack, through all kinds of high alpine snow. A little more caution, but it’s all about technique. The dyna skis the pants off the F1, so I don’t envision a problem.
Steve is right on about what the Justice/Megawatt is designed to do. That’s what makes this combination so exciting. A fat easy ski, with little or no overall weight penalty. I can’t wait to push its limits. Pretty thorough review from a member of the Canadian rando team here : http://skitheory.blogspot.com/2009/12/dynafit-dyna-review.html So far I’m in full agreement.
How does the fit/sizing compare to the Zzero4C-TF?
More specifically, if the interior length of the Zzero4 in a 26.0/26.5 is just barely big enough for my big toes, will I fit in a 26.5 DyNA?
(I don’t really care about using the boot for rando races, since we don’t have much of a circuit out here in New England, plus I’m not a competitive athlete anyway, but if this boot skis as well as everyone claims, sure seems ideal for long tours!)
Cool, thanks for all that info Tony and everyone. I don’t care about a few grams but am really enjoying supportive boots (had been considering the f1 carbon primarily for new race setup).
I have been skiing on a pair regularly for about a month now. They are awesome! Skin better than the F1, the walk/skin lever is WAY better, and they are much stiffer downhill.
I have a 27.5 and they weigh 950 grams on my Park digital scale. My F1 races from last year were 1220 grams. A pretty large difference for a racer!
They would definitely drive a larger ski but one thing to consider is the difference in shell size. I have a 27.5 pair of Zzero4 and they have a sole length of 310. My DyNA boots are a 297. This is due to the thinner liner and streamlined shell. That requires your binding to be able to adjust about a half inch to accommodate both boots(vertical ST bindings).
I find it a little funny that some people are calling these boots "heavy". I don’t think the F1 will be more than 100 grams lighter which isn’t a huge difference. The Scarpa boots haven’t arrived yet from Italy so it will be interesting to see if the actual weight is as claimed.
Hey Scheefdog…it’s not that big of a deal to adjust binders the 13mm. But I guess it does mean that you’ll need to use ST or FT bindings…so not the lightest Dynafits…but still manageable for most I would assume. Also…when mounting…one may have to fiddle a little with everything to get them to adjust correctly…but doable none-the-less.
I agree that 100 grams isn’t that much…but grams do count in rando racing so lighter is most of the time better. Of course lower performance can also sap extra energy…so sometimes the trade off is warranted.
I got my hands on some F1 Carbon boots and wrote up a comparison between the Dynafit DyNA World Cup Race Boot and Scarpa F1 Carbon including actual weights.
scheefdog…thanks for that.
Can anyone post/email a picture of the bottom of the boot? I’d like to see what the last looks like from this anglee. Thanks
ted…check this link out…should do the trick for you.
Someone alreay asked this, but how does that last of the Dy.N.A. compare to the Zzero? I am particularly concered with the width around the 6th toe/forefoot. Am am I correct that you can punch the boot for width in that area due to the bellows/flex cut out?
Confession: I just ordered a pair of 27.5 from Telemark Pyrenees not 5 minutes ago. When I get finished with doing the happy dance I’m going to realize that I just bought boots from Europe without trying them on. I hope someone will buy them from me if/when they don’t fit. Now to start my own rando race circuit in california… actually they’re mostly for touring, but I will seek out a race somewhere in the west and give it a try.
Harpo, DyNA fit is pretty similar to Zzero — see Scheefdog’s link above, as well as my Wild Snow review too.
there is no way the last of the DyNA is the same at the Zero. not even close. the zero is much higher volume.
brent…hope they work out for you. good luck and congrats on some new kicks!!!
The shell is slimmer, but the liner foam is supposed to be 7mm instead of 10mm (as in the Zzero).
Here are some comments from others at the WildSnow post —
Dynafit rep (including your territory):
“As for the last if you take into consideration the liner thickness of this boot, this boot is very similar to that of the Zzero. It’s 101 in a 27.5 and 103.3 in a 28.5.”
Fede from Dynafit in Europ:
“The toe box volume of the Dy.N.A./ TLT5 … despite the thoughts, is not low volume… it fit same as zzero”
js…i guess since liners are just foam and mold to your feet…i am more comparing the lasts of the shells. which may have the same width…but are not nearly the same volume.